Sean Duregger and co-host Joey Avalos discuss the hot topic of Gun Control with Texas Police Officer Seth [last name withheld] and Freelance Journalist Brad McHargue. Music by Barsuk recording artist David Bazan*.

Show Notes

* “American Flags” and “Backwoods Nation” used by permission of David Bazan, his management and Barsuk Records.

The AxPx Podcast
Episode #13

Topic: Gun Control

On December 14th, 2012 a bloodthirsty madman shot his mother at home then proceded to kill 20 children and 6 adults at a small town school: Sandy Hook Elementary School. This was the second-deadliest school shooting in US History after the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre and can also be considered one of the most heinous with the killing of innocent children.

This incident sent the Gun Control discussion through the roof, prompting our Government to respond.  On January 16th, President Barack Obama signed 23 Excecutive Orders while also sending a message to Congress that he’d push an Assault Rifle Ban including a Magazine Clip Limit of 10 rounds.


President Obama: “Let me be absolutely clear: like most Americans, I believe the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms.”

President Obama: “With rights come responsibilities.”


Guests: Seth –  Texas Police Officer
Brad McHargue – Journalist


Obama’s 23 Executive Orders:

  1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
  2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
  3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
  4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
  5. Propose rule making to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
  6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
  7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
  8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
  9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
  10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
  11. Nominate an ATF director.
  12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
  13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
  14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
  15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
  16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
  17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
  18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
  19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
  20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
  21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
  22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
  23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.



 Music Break #1: David Bazan – American Flags off the 2008 7” single from Barsuk Records.


Discussion Questions:

  • In your ideal society, what would be your preferential “gun control” legislation?
  • If Assault Rifles are banned, where should the government draw the line? What defines an Assault Rifle?
  • Should a U.S. citizen have the right to own an arsenal?
  • If all guns disappeared from our society, would that permanently eliminate all mass murder incidents or would madmen find another way?
  • What about weapons like Flame Throwers or Bazookas?

From Jason Stout: “You can… You just have to apply for a NFA tax stamp to the ATF if your state allows it, then get it approved by your local sheriff.

The problem with those who are anti-gun is that they usually have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to firearm laws and even the firearms they choose to discriminate against. Even if they ban “assault” rifles, you can still apply for NFA tax stamps and get what you want as long as you follow the law.

Personally, I think that all this hubbub about this ban talk is not going anywhere. At least not at the federal level. Not at least for another 2 years. Those rascally republicans still hold the the congress at the very least till then.

Per the NFA… These items would fall under this category:

Destructive Devices (DDs)—there are two broad classes of destructive devices:

Devices such as grenades, bombs, explosive missiles, poison gas weapons, etc.

Any firearm with a bore over 0.50 except for shotguns or shotgun shells which have been found to be generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes. (Many firearms with bores over 0.50″, such as 12-gauge shotguns, are exempted from the law because they have been determined to have a “legitimate sporting use”.)”


 Music Break #2: David Bazan – Backwoods Nation off his first solo EP 2007’s Fewer Moving Parts on Barsuk Records.


Facebook Comments:

Joey’s personal Page:

“I think there may be ways to improve the process for people to become gun owners, but I don’t think more regulation, in terms of limitations on what people can own is needed. As long as there are no fully automatic weapons around, I’m fine with that.”

“I would feel safer if I had my own flame thrower. Seriously though, I cannot think of any reason whatsoever why somebody would need a fully automatic weapon. Guns are going to be around and there’s really not much we can do about it.”

“We already have weapon control, and arms isn’t specific to guns, is it? We can’t have tanks, RPGs, or Fighter planes. We can’t possess nukes. So what’s the issue if that weapon control includes weapons of war? I honestly don’t understand what the fight is over enough to have a solid opinion.”

“No semi-automatics. Not everyone should be allowed to have a gun – full background checks, including psychiatric records, etc. More guns is definitely NOT the answer.”

“Here’s one jobey: if states can pass laws making federally illegal substances legal to buy and use in their state why can’t each state then pass gun laws making it legal to own whatever type of armament they see fit, even if deemed illegal by the federal government? Who will they prosecute first, the gun owner or the pothead?”

“Marijuana is medicine for some people, like cancer patients. Guns are not medicine.”

“lets not be naive we both know the vast majority of marijuanna is not for medicinal purposes..its for recreation. Guns are for protection though and I would argue they save more lives than marijuana.”

“Oh Joey, why do I even post on a controversial subject. It only leads to me being annoyed by people. I like that you weren’t brought up to be obsessive about guns like so many people are.”

Sean’s personal page:

“The real issue is still inner city areas. Violent crime is down 50 percent the last ten years. It’s sad to me that incidents like sandy hook (which I highly question) are fueling this argument when they are such a small portion of the problem”

“Reason we need those type of weapons is if we are truley going to be able to defend if a tyrant got in America, we as Americans would have to defend against those weopens shooting at us. How would we be able to defend ourselves when the people we would be fighting has those weopens? The 2nd amendment is in case our Gov tries to ever take over with a Tyrant…

people don’t remember the last time we had the same laws in place and it made no difference. People that want to kill people will find a way to get it done. Whether they get assault weapons via black market or they use a gun that only holds 9 rounds in the end people will be dead and it really doesn’t matter how many rounds it took or what type of weapon used, knives, forks, hands, rope, hammer…they all can kill.
The gun doesn’t do the killing, the person consciously making the decision to pull the trigger do the killing. Can’t fix people by taking stuff away, you have to change their heart.”

“I own several “Assault” weapons… They don’t just open their own case, unlock, load themselves and start killing people.
Government infringing on our rights is more frightening than people with guns.
[I own guns] Because I enjoy shooting. I target shoot, hunt, and shoot competitively. But most of all, I have one because our second amendment in the Bill of Rights states that I can. I also have several pistols and other rifles. Shooting sports are and have been a way of life for me. I don’t see how demonizing a piece of metal will keep any of you safer. Good people with firearms can. Criminals will always break the law… But saying that a law abiding citizen should be punished for the firearm he/she chooses is an infringement on our rights. I’m all about freedom. My forefathers and family members didn’t fight in countless wars and come home maimed and heartbroken so that the government can dictate every action or choice I make. Planned parenthood kill over 300,000 babies a year. “Assault” rifles killed a total of 1% of all firearm related deaths last year. More deaths were caused by murder with a hammer than assault rifles last year.”

The Armchair Philosopher page:

“Military grade rifles are ones that pose a threat to the government if they take away our rights as citizens. The plan is to sufficiently disarm Americans so the government can force us to do their bidding, rather than the other way around.

Just as tax increases were not about lowering the deficit, gun control is not about saving the lives of students.”

“This is exactly what the “other” camp thought he would do/say. From what I have read, this is exactly what Hitler did/said before he disarmed and “exterminated” SIX. MILLION. HUMAN BEINGS. That’s 6,000,000 men, women and children. Why would you assume the possibility that this would silence the comparisons?”

“So I am not an expert on military assault rifles, or much of anything, but in an up close and personal situation it seems shotguns are more destructive than rifles. Yet I can’t recall ever hearing about them in this debate.”

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